Understanding The Last of Us Part II | Girlfriend Reviews
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We have a very special, very different video for you all today. This isn't a review of The Last of Us Part II. This is an understanding of The Last of Us Part II. #tlou2 #TheLastOfUs #NaughtyDog
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  • Tyler Beauchamp
    Tyler Beauchamp

    This is my favourite review of a game ☺️ it made me feel warm, sad and happy. You guys are doing a anazing job with your videos and I hope you guys know that 😄

  • And justice Or Fall
    And justice Or Fall

    Why is this girl acting holier than thou, it boils down to one thing, some people are a lot more easily manipulated. People with awareness will see the retcons, characters driving plot, cheap tricks to get an emotion, terrible writing ect. We understand the story girl, its just not well written

    • pulpficti
      pulpficti

      Every story manipulates your emotions or what emotion did you feel when Sarah died? Btw, nothing was retconned, that's just wrong

  • Jacob Jakubec
    Jacob Jakubec

    It was an amazing masterpiece, and people who doesnt understand this, and still crying, are just stupid :)

  • Lucas Della Maggiore
    Lucas Della Maggiore

    I knew i liked this game because when if finished it i was left with a wtf moment. Where as in the first game i was left with a feeling of "Wft did i do?!" with Joel's murdering of the doctors and lying to Ellie, with this game i was left with a feeling of "Wft was i supposed to do?!" when faced with letting Abby go and Ellie's conclusion to the story which is what i wanted the sequel of the game that made me question my morality by the end to do, question myself again, only this time it wasn't as black and white as last time.

  • Shadesofwrath
    Shadesofwrath

    Hmmm.. as much as I absolutely love this review I gotta nitpick.. a story is a series of events arranged in chronological order whereas a plot is a someone’s unique way of conveying those series of events.. not at all significant here but thought I’d mention anyway lol

  • Zakapholiac
    Zakapholiac

    Yeah I’ll never accept this game. Stopped playing half way. Never buying a naughty dog game again

    • Francisco César
      Francisco César

      @Zakapholiac hating a game without playing it. Manchild

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      @Zakapholiac Yeah because apparently tolerance means you're not allowed to disagree with people's opinions.

    • Zakapholiac
      Zakapholiac

      @James Lanier you’re clearly very immature if you think being intolerant has any correlation to the desire of wanting said person to be imprisoned

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      @Zakapholiac Lol I'm sorry, did I say you should go to jail over it?

    • Zakapholiac
      Zakapholiac

      @James Lanier very intolerant of others opinions I see lol

  • Zandre Pelzer
    Zandre Pelzer

    As someone who has dealt with grief, I can strongly relate the the emotions Naughty Dogg try and make you experience. Naughty Dogg truly made me feel grief in this game. They trully did make me feel like i was reliving the period of grief I had experienced. At first I hated it. But the more I thought of it, it was fuckin perfect. They toyed my emotions so well it's downright scary. How little time you had to spend with Joel, how violent unpredictable and undeserving his death was and how little time you had to mourne left me feeling sad for days after playing it. It took me back instantly. And Naughty knows this. THESE ARE common things we all have experienced. All they had to do was execute it properly and then trigger emotions. Because emotions is what causes true immersion and true immersion is the sole purpose of games. It doesn't always have to be good emotions

  • Javier Ramallo
    Javier Ramallo

    The first time I played the game I hated it, hated it so much. Hated what Naughty dog did and I was part of the wave that was asking for Neil Druckmann's head. But I just could not understand why I hated it that much. So many months later I played the game for a second, third and a fourth time (I just finished today my Grounded mode Permadeath round) and I don't hate it anymore I think that it is a masterpiece, no other game left me this sad at the end and with so much mixed emotions. The idea of Joel killing people to save Ellie (his new daughter) and that these "bad people" are not that bad (depending on which side you are) is the saddest thing I have experienced in a long time. Love your video and the way you explain what this game is all about, thank you.

  • Thinh Vo
    Thinh Vo

    Last of Us 2 remind me of the pain arc in naruto. In fact it is exactly like Pain arcs. You are present with a villain who hated by everybody when it was first introduced. He or she kill everybody you loved. And at middle of the story, the story flip on its head and focus on villain perspective.

    • Bryan
      Bryan

      @Thinh Vo I feel like this game would have been more impactful if they split part 2 into part 2 and part 3 using part 2 to flesh out Abby, her friends, Jesse, Dina, and other characters with Joel dying at the end and then used part 3 as the revenge story.

    • Bryan
      Bryan

      @Thinh Vo The problem is that they want us to feel empathy for Abby which fails for most players because of the order of the game. Instead of giving us abbys backstory after killing joel they could have shown parts of it building up to Joel’s death or started the game with her backstory to show us why she did what she did so we can have an understanding. Another problem is how they try to flesh out and humanize character that we don’t even care about anymore because they died 8 hours before and how most of the characters that die are never acknowledged or spoken about again which is why I say it feels rushed because they have so many characters but most of them are just in the game to accompany the player or just die to add to the “revenge is bad, it hurts those around you” theme.

    • Thinh Vo
      Thinh Vo

      @Bryan Abby story was not rush. Hell she has 10 hours campaign. Abby story was fine. The story however want to show how hard it is to actually step into somebody shoe Pain was more empathetic because of 3 things. 1) his charismatic nature that was enhance by his look and speech patrern. 2) he actually dies. 3) he revived everybody making him redeem. These are possible in fanatical writing of Naruto. Abby will never have these. She won't have a chance to lecture ellie about world morality. Abby story was one about how a real person driven by revenge would be perceived by player. It doesnt matter if you are given full story, you will never able to forgive abby.

    • Bryan
      Bryan

      It’s easier to sympathize with pain than Abby though and pains arc is something that naruto has been leading up to since part 1 when they first introduced the akatsuki while the last of us 2 feels rushed even for a game that’s 30 hours long

  • Lucas Carstensen
    Lucas Carstensen

    While I found the game kinda of pretentious, I appreciate that some people like it I cant agree with you. The story while ambitious I felt that it was executed poorly, because there is not only a tonal dissonance between abby and ellie but between cutscene and gameplay. While ellie in cutscene and can display kindness and grief the ellie in gameplay was hateful and unidentifiable. No i'm not mad about joel that was fine, but this game tries to deal with really complicated themes of forgiveness and guilt but at the end when you spare abby and it wasn't your choice no matter what you want it doesnt feel earned. It feels like a shallow cop out, while in concept this game has a great story it simply does not pan out. And its jarring to kill someone as ellie and then be seen there backstory when it should be the other way around. I don't agree with the hate this game provokes and I also don't agree with it sweeping the board at the game awards there were a lot more deserving games especially in the action category. This game in mechanics is no different then gears of war or halo and fails to innovate with its systems, and while the graphics/physics are the bets in the industry I can't say that about anything else.

  • whatthehell
    whatthehell

    No need to pretend it was better than it was, when the fact is that it was just a lazy writing.

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      @Bryan But what were his options? I'm not going to argue that he got soft. I thought it was apparent that he never had a chance. If he didn't go with Abby, he would've died from the horde or the blizzard. Also, he didn't know he had people after him. He had no reason to believe the Fireflies would come after him with Marlene dead. I'm not saying you were suggesting this, but just in case, him deciding to rescue Abby in the first place is in character too. Part of the purpose of patrols is to find survivors for trading or recruitment. That's how Jackson grows as a community and is the reason Joel was out there in the first place partly.

    • Bryan
      Bryan

      @James Lanier a major is example is Joel’s death. He is too trusting to a group he doesn’t know and you could argue he has become soft in the 4 years in Jackson but there’s no indication that he’s become soft or rusty before his death in the start of the game. On top of that Joel is the most cynical person and he did whatever it took to survive for 20 years after he lost Sarah so I don’t see how he would suddenly become sloppy after only 4 years when he has something to live for which is Ellie and when he knows he has people after him for what he did to the fireflies. This all just makes Joel feel out of place because we don’t have any reason to not believe that he’s not the same person he was in the first game so it comes off as out of character which falls on lazy and inconsistent writing.

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      @Bryan Can you give an example?

    • Bryan
      Bryan

      @James Lanier Characters in the game do things that don’t match their characters or things that are just common sense to push the story forward

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      What was lazy about it?

  • Wilfred
    Wilfred

    I really hate abby.

  • Vanilla Chocolate
    Vanilla Chocolate

    4:31 PLS

  • Leif Rausch
    Leif Rausch

    Tlou 2 is an amazing game

  • Conner Ryland
    Conner Ryland

    It just hurts man

  • Coolio M
    Coolio M

    Ah yes, very complex indeed. Revenge bad for 10hrs straight between one character who doesn't suffer the consequences of it (losing friends & family) while the other does. This "understanding" of a game where they flip-flop already established character for _feelings_ really shows off how triple a companies don't even need to try writing deep stories anymore. Most even forgot that *Ellie knew Joel lied at the end of the first game,* meh who cares gotta have that Hollywood drama in muh gamez.

    • Thinh Vo
      Thinh Vo

      Ann eyes for an eyes made the whole world blind. It is the mentality that everything need a fair justification is why the whole thing started. Here is the reality. Joel was in the wrong. There is no excuse about it.

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      Lmaoooo what? Did you just say Abby didn't suffer consequences of it? Nick, Jordan, Nora, Manny, Owen, and Mel all died as a consequence of what Abby did to Joel. I don't know why you seem to think feelings in a story is bad. You understand that's kind of the central aspect of character development, right? How they feel? No, she didn't. She suspected. She didn't know. Man, so not only did you not understand the second game, but you didn't understand the first one either.

  • blake brouwer
    blake brouwer

    Why is this not more popular?

  • Hector Rincones
    Hector Rincones

    I hope they see this even though I am late. I think they brought some great points while trying to stay unbiased. Good video

  • Jason Godwin
    Jason Godwin

    It's scientifically impossible to create a vaccine for a fungal infection and if anyone making this series knew that it would have made Joel morally ambiguous instead of 100% right. The Fireflies were always fools and terrible people. Golf Champ looks silly and the game's built on the back of unjustifiable crunch time that added nothing good to the experience, and I'm sick of being called a terrible person and "typical gamer" by the woker-than-thou crowd for not enjoying a bad piece of media.

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      Lol typical gamer. Cry about it.

    • Modestas
      Modestas

      It's justa game and it's subjective

  • Junior Primate
    Junior Primate

    I love your guys’ videos. Game journalism in general benefits from these beautifully edited and thoughtful/thought provoking pieces. Keep them coming!

  • Matthew Rodriguez
    Matthew Rodriguez

    Thinking about her comment on not making more games about Joel. There is a time jump both in the first game and between the first and second games where Joel is alive.

  • Tito GC
    Tito GC

    Thank you 😭

  • And justice Or Fall
    And justice Or Fall

    I understand the game, it is just poorly written imo

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      @And justice Or Fall Not a single word of that is true. Give examples.

    • And justice Or Fall
      And justice Or Fall

      It is, some people are just a lot easier to manipulate than others, the retcons, characters acting stupid to push plot, terrible pacing, trying so hard to get people to empathise with a character but not writing them well enough to succeed, poor character development, the whole thing was unimmersive and predictable due to being able to see the writers strings pushing these puppets. Bruce straley was most definitely the reason tlou1 was an absolute masterpiece.

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      It's not poorly written though.

  • Zed Biteng
    Zed Biteng

    Wow. This review is spot on, very well done. You just won yourself a new subscriber. Loved it.

  • Giacomo De Santi
    Giacomo De Santi

    This video is amazing. You guys are amazing. Keep It up! ♥️

  • Nefi Alvarez
    Nefi Alvarez

    Bravo, nice analysis I played it with my boyfriend and had some very similar thoughts, love ya guys

  • Sebeast Art
    Sebeast Art

    I finished this game yesterday and immediately searched for your review, I felt so much hate surrounding the game and the characters that your words are a balm on the pain I felt for everyone. I really played the final chapter completely against my will, I didn’t want the end to come, my soul completely conflicted and torn. When I went down to the “Pillars” and found Abby hanging there, she was so thin and gaunt Inlet our a gasp!! I felt so much empathy and compassion for her... she picks up Lev and tells Ellie ..”there are boats this way” she wants you to come along and get saved with them... I nearly lost it.. she was so thin and weak. And then you have to kill her... The sequence with the baby in the farm an the PTSD is brutal... so much tension hiding under the happiness.. What a joy this game was, even if I couldn’t play it again. 34 hours well spent. I left this game mourning everybody that died, wishing they had accomplished their goals and dreams, Mel an Diane raising their babies, Owen finding purpose and a tribe, Abby finding peace, Lev a place in the world.. and Ellie a family. I hope, if there is a last of us 3 they tackle redemption and rebirth Love your work, don’t stop!

    • Andrea Montaña
      Andrea Montaña

      watch nathan zed’s review too. Its my second favorite

  • Emilius73
    Emilius73

    I finished the story today, and loved it. Watching this showed me how much of a masterpiece this is even more

  • Paul Bartram
    Paul Bartram

    I've finished this game only today and feel utterly traumatised. Its made me think about the way we perceive people on the other side of the fence, those people we 'hate'. Your analysis is a wonderful summarisation of my feelings towards this game. Thank you for being able to word it so elequently.

  • your conscience
    your conscience

    This is the greatest game review I've ever watched. Hands down, I've never had someone tell me straight to my face that my ability to enjoy a game is related to my ability to cope with difficult emotions. I've never seen so clearly how a piece of art not only depicts life, but lives through it in everyone's responses. How incredible. Thank you for this.

  • GAMER L22
    GAMER L22

    This video is beautiful and super epic. Good job

  • Luis Martin
    Luis Martin

    I watch this video once every month or so, and every time it hits me right in the feels and actually gives me hope

    • Andrea Montaña
      Andrea Montaña

      @Luis Martin no problem :)

    • Luis Martin
      Luis Martin

      @Andrea Montaña Hand't watched it, thanks. It was great

    • Andrea Montaña
      Andrea Montaña

      same. I watch this one and Nathan Zed’s video every month too.

  • Det
    Det

    "if you reached the credits and wish you could have killed Abby, even after walking a mile in her shoes, you may have beat the game you were playing with your controller, but you may have lost the game that Naughty Dog was playing with your soul"

  • Yusef Abdel Mottaleb
    Yusef Abdel Mottaleb

    Honestly I agree with most of what you said but at the same time there was a lot of wrong about this game you didn’t speak about

  • Fried Potatoes
    Fried Potatoes

    Should've added an accessibility option to forgive Abby

  • A.H.M Edits
    A.H.M Edits

    Good review, but one thing that was wrong, at the end of the review you said if you wanted Abby to die at the end you didn’t understand the game Naughty Dog made. But what if the game Naughty Dog made was bad? So I think this would be perfect, imagine if the last of us 2 was only about Abby. Then, at the end of the game everything would connect. And the last of us 3 would be the last of us 2. And it would be the greatest game ever as you would be extremely split between the two characters.

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      @A.H.M Edits Lol of course. All media criticism is subjective.

    • A.H.M Edits
      A.H.M Edits

      @James Lanier that’s very subjective of you

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      It wasn't bad, so we can throw that theory out.

    • A.H.M Edits
      A.H.M Edits

      The last of us 2 would be about Abby and her father and all that,

  • Sincere_Doomguy
    Sincere_Doomguy

    This was AMAZING guys, probably your best video yet imho. Good job on this one!

  • ieuan jones
    ieuan jones

    This is so amazing

  • Open Thinker
    Open Thinker

    I think why most people don’t like it is because “critics” labeled this a masterpiece. I personally don’t like this. So many points in the story wouldn’t have happened if characters had half a brain cell (like when Dina fell through the roof after killing one guy. I counted at least 6 times in that scene where either Dina or Ellie should have been killed, but they weren’t). Also, the problem is that the execution of these themes isn’t solid. The pacing did a whole 180 with the switch to Abby. Abby, who did a stupid revenge plot and purposefully left a loose end that killed her friends. I just want to sum it up with a Japanese reviewer’s quote. “This is a game about right and wrong, told by people who think they are right.”

    • Meme Iselfaneye
      Meme Iselfaneye

      Could have been, not should have been, crazier things happen in real life.

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      That quote doesn't mean anything. "This is a game about right and wrong told by people who think they are right." Wouldn't that be every storyteller ever? Why would they try to make a statement they didn't believe?

    • Toby Cresswell
      Toby Cresswell

      I would disagree that the game is about right and wrong. By showing that neither side was right or wrong and not allowing the player to choose a side, but instead encouraging the player to see the bigger picture I would say its more about deleting right and wrong and is a tragic story about decisions and consequences. Why do the creators of the game think they're right? Right about what exactly? Please clarify.

    • Knowledge and Defense
      Knowledge and Defense

      @Joseph Clark I love how literally everything he wrote is a lie Part II haters: "There is no difference between Nora who tried to run away and the purely hostile part of the WLF! Joel did the right thing! (because of a recording that actually said the opposite of what I'm pretending it said!)" Us fans: "Well why did he lie to Ellie then?" Them: "Well, huh... hey look! Behind you!" *runs away*

    • Open Thinker
      Open Thinker

      @Joseph Clark I actually explained why I like the first one, because of its characters and their relationship and growth. The Last of Us Part 1 has, undeniably, incredible character development and growth. You see a broken, distant man and a young, naive girl forging a father-daughter relationship in the horrors of a world which constantly tries to break them. That's the difference between these two. Last to Us part 1 does have some flaws, but overall its main focus is on Joel and Ellie, their journey and their relationship and growth, which it explains in a beautiful yet emotional and hard-hitting way. Whereas Part 2 is simply trying to put a spin on the whole concept of revenge and how it ultimately leads to destruction, which is not new. It does it rather poorly, since it seems incredibly forced and in many cases I simply don't believe characters would do certain actions, logically or even emotionally speaking. Many actions are done just for shock value, and even then characters and story, while presented in visually pleasing ways (the game looks gorgeous, the visual and art teams should be given 100 million dollars each for their work), there were times where it doesn't fit. Ever heard of *Ludonarrative Dissonance*? It's basically when a character acts differently in cutscenes versus in gameplay. And Part 2 is chock full of it. Ellie especially. Remember how she cried about killing one of the women who killed Joel? Well, during gameplay when she's killing the WLF and their dogs, she barely shows any emotion, and acts as a cold-hearted killer. Yet when she confronts the people who actually took part in Joel's murder, she hesitates, gets emotional, looks weak, and ends up breaking down after killing them? This problem isn't even shown to a high degree in Part 1, because Joel himself is reserved, quiet, and quite brutal in his work in gameplay, so his character doesn't suffer from Ludonarrative Dissonance. I'm not saying that Part 1 has no flaws, but what I am saying is that it has way fewer than its sequel, which is a problem. Personally speaking, I believe that the flaws of Part 2 only highlight the best of Part 1, and I may in fact end up missing some flaws in the first. In that case, you can provide that information to me to change my mind. I'm also doing this because I am passionate about this franchise. I loved Joel and Ellie, I loved their characters and was invested in the world. To see that after 7 years we got something like Part 2 was, in my opinion, a disappointment. You're free to enjoy it, but please acknowledge the flaws of it, because if we don't I'm afraid we'll only see storytelling in games decline in quality, which is a trend that has been happening more and more.

  • Max
    Max

    "N-nooooo you dont get it, it's not lazy you arreeeeeee"

    • Knowledge and Defense
      Knowledge and Defense

      No, you don't. Yes, you are.

  • RosePig Cooking
    RosePig Cooking

    Eddie Vedder is the real winner here 👍

  • kro87
    kro87

    I feel like Ellie spares Abby in the end because killing abby would be like killing Joel, and herself. Just refer back to the first game where a defining moment for Ellie, is the first time she kills a man who is strangling Joel in a shallow bit of water...so in that moment she can identify with her and Lev. And also beneath all the hate and anger towards Abby, subconsciously she can see a lot of similarities to Joel in her as well.

  • SgtSpikey
    SgtSpikey

    00:58 after seeing the cast for the Tlou TV show this concept art really does remind me of Pedro Pascal.

  • Leon Paelinck
    Leon Paelinck

    "we let you both live and you wanted it" WTF ellie's supposed to say thank you for not murdering her too?

    • Andrea Montaña
      Andrea Montaña

      Why are you complaining? Its true, Abby could have killed Ellie to not leave any loose ends. Yet she didnt, she spared her life because she was only after Joel.....

    • Tristan Marsh
      Tristan Marsh

      It's "we let you both live and you wasted it"

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      Yeah, it's almost as if Abby was fueled by rage and said something dumb. How....unrealistic?

  • Leon Paelinck
    Leon Paelinck

    Best part of playing as Abby is het when you fail and die

    • Enrique Ganto
      Enrique Ganto

      Even better is that everytime you do it you restart with her.

  • Aayan k
    Aayan k

    The gameplay is meh Graphics are great Music / sound effects is a masterpiece Story is utter shit

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      Story's the best part by far.

  • Bacount Neming
    Bacount Neming

    The moment when you realize: Did I beat the game or the game beat me?!

  • normalguycap
    normalguycap

    What I have seen in reviews like this and especially Dunkey's is that no reviewer has ever addressed the well written, logically thought out criticisms. They all latch onto the lowest hanging fruits and then act as if it's a win. You don't get points for beating up the dum dums.

    • San Blindsnake
      San Blindsnake

      @normalguycap "Standards need to be raised, not lowered." Yes... but we all know why we are talking about standards only in this game... Otherwise we would be talking only about EA or Ubisoft, and there would be no time for any other studio to enter the chat... "Naughty Dog engaged in embargoes, immoral censorship..." Do you know the terminology "to fight fire with fire"? And interesting choice of word (Immoral), in my mind I always put that word with the ones who were bashing this game before release... But I guess perspective also lies in personal values... "At the very least, the use of should disbar Naughty Dog from consideration of "good game"." No... That's a wrong perspective... If you want to discuss "crunch" (that all studios do) ok, but the game is a separate product that is evaluated by what it is... "You have zero clue if the reviewers were unbiased." Obviously... I listen to all of them and then I value their review based on my own perspective. I have to agree that is easy to find the biased ones... Like many youtubers who tried to profit with the hate... "Even if you think the game is good, you cannot accept how it was made." Your question is a trap... I can certainly accept how it was made, because all games are made the same way. Now, if you ask me if I accept crunch, then no, I dont. But I also know that everyone is free to go and leave Naughty Dog... And, as you can see, only a few of them did it... "As for Niel himself, there are too many rumors..." Yeah... I also heard that a lady in the US who is a congresswoman believes in space laser... So, no, I don't take rumours in consideration, I prefer facts... "His use of transgender issues..." The funny thing is that, even if the game has a ton of diversity, it never goes into that kind of themes because the story is not directed at it. You should play the game and stop listen to people saying things like "agenda" and "SJW" and other crap... But I guess its the basic perspective of the narrative, that and "revenge" and "they killed Joel".. "His attempts at telling a revenge story were ignorant fanfiction levels of bad." LOL... I knew I was reaching this point...LOL... Yeah... Sorry bro, this is way more than a revenge story... In fact, only Ellie first Journey is about "revenge"... "There were severe mistakes, contradictions and it's incredibly trite." Please... Name them... If you can, obviously... but please, leave the "tastes" on the door... I mean, use facts...

    • normalguycap
      normalguycap

      @San Blindsnake Well man, it sounds like you drank the kool-aide. And that's why we get bad things. Standards need to be raised, not lowered. What these companies do beyond just making and releasing the game matters tremendously. It's not a maybe. Naughty Dog engaged in embargoes, immoral censorship (it may have been illegal in some cases), game journalism and game companies constantly use embargoes, blacklists, bribes, and incompetence to obscure the discourse from reality. Anything to smother opposition that hurts their profits. There are tons of examples with IGN alone. At the very least, the use of crunch should disbar Naughty Dog from consideration of "good game". Maybe you heard of this "Not to be a joyless communist, but if chocolate is made with child labor and slaves, maybe we shouldn't have chocolate." You have zero clue if the reviewers were unbiased. Embargoes are already a big sign of some problem despite the norm of them now. Many journalists are threatened or removed from early access lists if they don't give the scores that Naughty Dog (or any game company) seeks. That is a blacklist. You absolutely cannot say that reviewers are unbiased. Even if they admit they loved the first game, that gives them bias. Even if you think the game is good, you cannot accept how it was made. It was made immorally by abusing it's employees in every way that wasn't 'technically' illegal. As for Niel himself, there are too many rumors of his behavior at Naughty Dog towards co-workers, his agendas, the controversy with former (amazing) ND female writer Amy Hennig and that co-director (brad s?) for him to get a free pass. Given how the game presented it's topics, Niel woefully misunderstood and flanderized the topics he was addressing. His use of transgender issues was pandering and reductionist. It was cheap and insulting to those of transgender identity and a few have responded on that months ago. His attempts at telling a revenge story were ignorant fanfiction levels of bad. There were severe mistakes, contradictions and it's incredibly trite. Wasn't the pregnant woman trope used about 3 times in this game? Anyway, I'm done.

    • San Blindsnake
      San Blindsnake

      @normalguycap "perpetuatingly dishonest the journalism is" Maybe... Regarding this game I have to truly agree with the journalists. And surprising enough for me they were the ones who truly review this game without any bias. "by the toxic ringleader himself, Niel Druckman" Yeah... I guess that to say "screw you" to people who are insulting you is toxic... I wonder what you think about those guys...

    • normalguycap
      normalguycap

      @San Blindsnake To provide more context, the use of toxic in this case is not merely mean words that players fling at the industry and at each other, but how perpetuatingly dishonest the journalism is. If you disagree with my use of toxic in this case, then please place more emphasis on the incestuousness of it instead. This video was tweeted about by the toxic ringleader himself, Niel Druckman. Another example of how they have a circlejerk.

    • San Blindsnake
      San Blindsnake

      @normalguycap "Also and given how toxic and incestuous gaming journalism is" While I agree at some point, it's ironic the "toxic talk" in a game who have the worst toxic talk in years... and not by journalists...

  • CombustibleSpaceFruit
    CombustibleSpaceFruit

    I cannot get over how well this video distilled my feelings (and, IMO of course, the reaction the creators were going for) so succinctly. An amazing summary of an incredibly emotional experience. Honestly, bravo.

    • CombustibleSpaceFruit
      CombustibleSpaceFruit

      @Girlfriend Reviews I'm starstruck!!

    • Girlfriend Reviews
      Girlfriend Reviews

      Thank you so much!

  • Mandrews
    Mandrews

    The idea of tribalism and ego and seeing the other’s perspective is what I got from it as well, after finally playing it after so long. This could not be more prescient than it is in today’s political climate, and it seems completely lost on almost everyone, whether they loved or hated the game, and even some of the developers. Which is why the world will only get worse before it can even have a chance to get better.

  • Mububban23
    Mububban23

    For what it's worth, the actors that played Joel and Ellie were super excited to tell this story. Watch the 2016 and 2017 PSX interviews with the cast and director, they are all totally pumped to tell something brave and bold. They knew it was a gamble but they took it together. Unlike poor Mark Hamill who objected to the planned Star Wars sequels but had to shut up and do it because he was under contract :-( If anyone knows if that cast changed their tune after release, I'll happily be informed. Please link if so.

  • Curtis Young
    Curtis Young

    Very well said all around. I always liked the game but there were certain points you made that didn't click on mybplay through. I wanna play through the 1st to see if everyone has just been blinded by nostalgia

  • grombs
    grombs

    it’s been 7 months since this video came out and this game is still on my mind, people got mad over the death of joel and hated the game for it. That means they won captivating your emotions and make you feel the emotions meant and how hatred literally blinds some of you to see the full picture. but what do i know i’m a depressed guy who eats chicken nuggies on wednesday

  • CaptainWillard
    CaptainWillard

    How did Tommy get a "surgery" out of screen when he got shot by Abby, help me understand this please

    • Andrea Montaña
      Andrea Montaña

      Because Tommy got a thick skull ;)

    • Alberto Garrido
      Alberto Garrido

      @Toby Cresswell the nitpicking was about OP and all the ppl saying that his survival is impossible

    • Toby Cresswell
      Toby Cresswell

      @Alberto Garrido I'm not sure why you got the impression I was complaining or nitpicking but yes, "scratch" is definately the wrong word as this would imply that his injuries were only superficial when in actual fact he lost an eye and he was very lucky that the bullet missed his brain. I assumed you were being sarcastic.

    • Toby Cresswell
      Toby Cresswell

      @CaptainWillard He wasn't shot in the nape. When we see Tommy again about a year later we can see the entry wound from the bullet was on the side of his face and it was more than just a scratch, he lost an eye.

    • Alberto Garrido
      Alberto Garrido

      @Toby Cresswell we also see in the scene of the house a scar in the cheekbone, a hit there could make you lose an eye and still survive. Idk, whatever, that scene complaints is just people without arguments nitpicking imo

  • Harry Nagalia
    Harry Nagalia

    Just bookmarking something, ignore this comment pls 2:35 - Structure

  • DeadLocked Free
    DeadLocked Free

    I know this is old now but I’ve come back, I used to agree with the outcome of the game, I thought it was such an interesting spin, making you have a higher awareness of your foes, that the person you killed wasn’t just some schmuck scumbag trying to steal your shoes but was a guy trying to survive, just as you were. You know? But now listening to it again, I don’t agree anymore, I like the idea but the story completely removed the Replay ability aspect of the last of us, and honestly just felt overall pointless. The entire story is based on if you’ve played the game or not, if you haven’t, your story is to get revenge. You’re hell bent on getting it. To then not get it at the end, you hold on and only get a deeper meaning behind why you shouldn’t be going for revenge. But if you already know this information and you’ve already played the game there is no driving force to propel you through the story. So why play it again? You played the game to get revenge on Abby but never got it, so since you know you’re not gonna get revenge on her, why play again? I enjoyed this game but there isn’t a good reason to play again.

    • Andrea Montaña
      Andrea Montaña

      Knowing the information just makes it better. This game for me is just about vengeance. This game is really about Ellie learning to deal with the consequences of Joels actions and learning to find purpose and meaning in her life again. At the end Ellie learns that Joel “would do it all over again” because he is willing to sacrifice their relationship if it means giving Ellie the chance to know that her life is more valuable than her immunity. After his death, Ellie is disappointed and enraged with herself for not forgiving Joel sooner and fixates this anger on Abby, as she feels forever in debt with Joel. That, is powerful. The message really isn’t fully understood until you complete the game, after watching the last scene of Joel and Ellie together. And because the message isnt fully completed until the very end, replaying the game would further deepen your understanding, since it gives more sense to the drive behind the characters options. For me personally, it made me appreciate the game further. Besides- why does replay ability affect how good the game is? I know many games that I consider really good yet dont have the energy to pick up again. What other reason is there to play a game again? What game genuinely made you want to play it again after completion? This all really comes down to personal preference. Your opinion is that games need to be replayable to be good, because thats what works best for you. My opinion is that games dont have to be replayable because thats what works for me.

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      Damn, shame you got wrong over time. Usually the opposite happens.

    • San Blindsnake
      San Blindsnake

      "But if you already know this information and you’ve already played the game there is no driving force to propel you through the story. So why play it again? " Actually, the second playthrough is even better than the first. You have more time to appreciate all minor things... And knowing that revenge is not the real driving motivation of Ellie (the revenge story ends in the theatre fight) only gives power to all the emotions and feelings the game throws at you. "You played the game to get revenge on Abby but never got it..." No... Ellie play the game for revenge (first journey), and then Ellie goes after Abby (to put an end to her own personal hell). And that is what she does...

  • N M
    N M

    Does anyone know the title of the track at 5:37? I've been trying to find it ever since the video was released

  • Jônatas
    Jônatas

    I would think that making us hate Abby before making us feel empathy for her was a dumb move, and when I was playing her flashbacks with those characters I couldn't give less of a shit about I felt genuinly bored at times. But when she went back to the aquarium and found Owen's corpse, something clicked in me, and I finally understood how Ellie became the villain of Abby's story. That's when I began to, not like, but understand Abby's character. She felt nothing after killing Joel, revenge didn't fill her emptyness, but Yara and Lev did, and that's what I think is profound about this game. She understood how revenge doesn't solve anything, and moved on. But Ellie didn't until it was too late, so she ended alone. In my humble opinion that makes the game's narrative incredibly profound and even more complex than the original TLOU, because now it explores different points of view and show how there's always more than one side for every story.

    • Andrea Montaña
      Andrea Montaña

      @Jônatas that phrase at the very end- it took me so long to understand she was referring to Joel. It broke me🤧🤧

    • Jônatas
      Jônatas

      @Andrea Montaña Exactly. And Ellie only understood that when it was too damn late. So when she said "Just take him" she wasn't talking about Lev.

    • Andrea Montaña
      Andrea Montaña

      the thing is... the whole point is to challenge you to understand her. In real life, people may hurt you, and you will have to try to forgive them despite not knowing much about their lives. Isnt that the whole point? To be strong enough to let it go? To forgive others despite hating them so deeply?

    • Jônatas
      Jônatas

      @Focused Studying Good point

    • Focused Studying
      Focused Studying

      No I think it was done deliberately. Making you really hate her first and only then challange you to see how similar Abby and Ellie are. Because that's how real life is, not the other way around.

  • Gabe Kulcsár
    Gabe Kulcsár

    This is still the single best video created about The Last of Us 2.

  • frdrck moyz
    frdrck moyz

    Haters of this game are just people that have the easy life. They can’t grasp the reality that not all things will go their way.

    • Identity
      Identity

      Ah yes. Because having a different opinion suddenly means you're a "hater". Grow up. Some people liked this game, some didn't. Not all of us are haters.

  • alvin reinaldy
    alvin reinaldy

    HERE's people who hated it's main problem, "this is a sequel." even if they put you in Abby's shoes for a mile. we have the previous game's worth of distance in Joel and Ellie's story, effectively numbing our feeling as Joel is killed and perspective is flipped to Abby. thus i want to emphasis on it might not be a bad premise, but the execution in writing and structure is shit. considers this, the prologue end before the protagonist's cross path, directly switch to past Abby, learns her story first without directly referring to previous protagonists. then twisting the plot in the middle instead.

    • Andrea Montaña
      Andrea Montaña

      The game doesnt present you with Abby’s backstory before her killing Joel because it would make it too easy to understand her. Yes, people got mad after Joel’s death, but it had a purpose- to get you on the same page as Ellie. Both the player and the character after his death are so full of hate that it makes them not think twice about wanting to kill Abby. Interweaving their stories would just give you a birds-eye view, and not really ground you in the characters shoes like the way they did. His death and blind hate is literally the drive behind Ellie’s side of the game. So when the POV flips, it is challenging to at the very least, understand Abby. You also cannot kill or spare Abby because this isnt the player’s story, it is Ellies. “Forgiveness is the letting go of the hope that the past could have been any different. It is using this time to move forward.” - Oprah Winfrey As the player, we just have to comes in terms with Joels death, just like Ellie did at the very end. In real life people hurt us, even when we know nothing about their lives. It is up to us to learn to move past it despite the circumstances.

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      @alvin reinaldy Nope, not at all. TLOU2 literally won more players choice awards than any other game in history including The Witcher 3. Ghost of Tsushima won 11 including the one at The Game Awards. Meanwhile, TLOU2 won 104. Like it wasn't even close. Nope, the only Nintendo exclusive that sold better than TLOU2 last year was Animal Crossing New Horizons, and that came out in 2020. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Super Mario 3D All-Stars were on the top 10 best sellers as well, but not as high as TLOU2. That's with the data we have though as Nintendo doesn't report digital sales. That being the case, TLOU2 is 8th place at worst overall. Based on the data we have, however, it's 6th.

    • alvin reinaldy
      alvin reinaldy

      @James Lanier the first one, the fact that it fails on the first player's choice don't bother you? and 2, which still lower to nintendo's even older exclusive games

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      @alvin reinaldy Nope, I specifically said players choice to differentiate them from awards determined by professional critics. Also, we know it was the top selling PS4 exclusive of 2020 and 6th best selling game overall of 2020.

    • alvin reinaldy
      alvin reinaldy

      @James Lanier pretty sure the other standard nominations are by journalist. people generally hate it, and you should accept it. they can't even release their sales number after the first month

  • Eric
    Eric

    5:15 You perfectly describe why the game has such mixed reviews. This isn't a game that you can just mash buttons to skip the story. You can't beat what you feel inside with a controller. Emotions aren't as easy to deal with as the Rat King.

  • Suhandi Wijaya
    Suhandi Wijaya

    This game is so big brain, that the small brains can't comprehend. As simple as that.

  • Denny Crane
    Denny Crane

    Whoever hates on this game is a complete and total idiot.....not gonna deny it, i was shocked to my core and filled with hate towards the game designers to kill Joel in the 1st chapter.....but then playing the game felt like a well deserved revenge until i killed that pregnant girl, and realize how the game.....f..ed my mind up, then they show us Abbys side.....which is exactly Elllie's side in here......i felt the same pain but in a less scale cause i knew Joel, although I knew he pretty much did all kind of shady things..... to me this game was a complete travel to the human psyche on the loss of someone you truly love.......and the importance of knowing all the sides of a story before judging ..... this game in my opinion is a total and absolute masterpiece in narrative aspects, in gaming aspects and graphical aspects.......

    • Cool Broccolie
      Cool Broccolie

      Even tho I totally agree with the statements, calling people idiots for thier feeling to an art form is just dumb

    • San Blindsnake
      San Blindsnake

      Agree...

  • Born To Be Uai
    Born To Be Uai

    I am IN TEARS now. BRAVO! The end had me screaming and crying. There are no words to describe how I feel when I play, remember or talk about The Last Of Us. I watched DOZENS of videos and congratulations guys. This is FLAWLESS. "Then you may have lost the game Naughty Dog was playing with your soul"

    • Born To Be Uai
      Born To Be Uai

      And I lost my dad. Oh shit.

  • Ruotao Tang
    Ruotao Tang

    Well I don't know if you will ever read this, but I will still try to break into your echo chamber here since I enjoyed some of your other videos and hope you understand why some of your audience may dislike this game. I believe it is fundamentally wrong for games that cost players 30+ hours (and $60) to make them feel "empty" after clearance. Immersion is very important for games and especially for this game, and thus I, like many other gamers, would hope that this journey can at least achieve something, either along the way or in the end. Unfortunately, this is exactly the opposite of what Neil Druckman wanted us to feel throughout the game. Rowing harder doesn't help if the boat is headed in the wrong direction. A melodrama, no matter how well-written it is, is unlikely to win my heart, and many others'. But I understand that it has its audience, like you and many others commenting here. So please don't rush to take the moral high ground like Neil Druckman did. Genuinely disliking this game doesn't mean that a gamer is homophobic or has a low taste.

    • Ruotao Tang
      Ruotao Tang

      @Eddi Well they did not explicitly say that but it is pretty obvious that they think this game is too complicated and deep for people who cannot enjoy it, or this would not be a standalone video.

    • Eddi
      Eddi

      They never said that but ok...

  • Rob Bridges
    Rob Bridges

    What is that song on the guitar at the end of this video called?? I'm in tears arriving for work

  • Yopla
    Yopla

    I love this game even if I still prefer the first one. I almost stop playing when joel died, when I played Abby and when they didn't let me play Ellie for the first fight with Abby. I didn't like playing Abby, not because she was the one who killed Joel, because she tortured him. I would accept her character better if she just killed him. But, I still was relieved Ellie didn't kill Abby in the end, At the theater, I I will have been disapointed if we played Ellie and didn't kill Abby. I like what naughty dog did with this game even if I was upset with Abby part or Joel death. Sorry if my english is bad.

  • Man Person
    Man Person

    The issue with Joel's death is that Joel didn't seek Abby's father out. To Joel he was going to kill his surrogate daughter for a vaccine that wouldn't be worth it ( the zombies in that world are eating victims to the bone and I personally doubt that a militia group with run down 2013 technology could save the whole world). Abby brought all her friends out into the frozen wilderness to torture Joel for who knows how long while his family watches in horror. And while I do think this game has potential, it's constant use of characters not knowing shit that we as the viewer do makes the experience unbearable to play.

    • Brandon Brown
      Brandon Brown

      At some point your will realize how most wars are self serving as well. It has been 6 months since I beat the game, yet I am still ambiguous to the true nature of it. If it is your child, then 100% on you, if it is someone else kid then you may act otherwise. That is the true litmus of it all. It really sucks.

  • Danlore
    Danlore

    So why do we play as Abby after that? And trying to justify Abby was kinda not working for me. And letting Ellie die without her know that she will die and informing Joel? How is that villany?

    • Eyas
      Eyas

      If we didn’t play as Abby then the story wouldn’t have worked out the way it was supposed to be

    • Alan Bijoy
      Alan Bijoy

      Replace happy to see her side of the story When did Elle die?

  • cheddarandsourcream
    cheddarandsourcream

    This game looks truly incredible I unfortunately don’t own a PlayStation but you ungrateful PlayStation owners don’t realize how good you have it with these exclusive titles.

  • Abel Thomas
    Abel Thomas

    Does anyone know the song at 3:38? I have been tryin to find it

    • jamoygali
      jamoygali

      should be “it cant last (home)” - gustavo santaolalla

  • Bobby Roche
    Bobby Roche

    This video got me hooked on your channel. Love this game.

  • L L
    L L

    Oh God who cut all these onions

  • Chris Cicala
    Chris Cicala

    Future days 😢

  • Dizzy Rocket
    Dizzy Rocket

    Girlfriend review- Scar Lev- Seraphite Me- lol

  • Viktor Ortiz
    Viktor Ortiz

    The story was really good but feel like it should of been split into 2 different games instead of just one. Give us a game where we play as Abby the whole game and reveal the truth at the end then part three should of been this game. I feel like it would of hit way harder like that.

  • olimjon khojiakbarov
    olimjon khojiakbarov

    This game was really amazing and pulled me in while i was playing, the gameplay was very fun but i wouldn’t play it again. It was so sad and traumatizing and it was hard. And i love psychological horror.

  • yodatall
    yodatall

    I do agree that it is an innovative masterpiece, but i still hate it for making me feel that empty. Powerful game

  • CharlieBrown20XD6
    CharlieBrown20XD6

    I love the feeling this game gave me as I played it. I envy anyone who gets to experience it for the first time

  • WilliamScotch
    WilliamScotch

    Amazing video. sincerely one of my favorite ever! And my god what a game, what a master piece. The story.... DAMN The best game i've played, I've never felt as involved by the characters, if you don't agree that the story is one of the best ever written I can say with all confidence, you are a moron.

  • Michael Hagerup
    Michael Hagerup

    I wish people were able to appreciate and praise this game for what it is: A masterpiece. So that we can get a number 3 and encourage the amazing people at ND to keep making masterpieces that will go down in history as the best games of all time.

    • Cool Broccolie
      Cool Broccolie

      Damn its so beautiful to see people with different opinion just understanding that nobody is really right when there is so much subjectivity in the medium of art. Im so proud of this community

    • Michael Hagerup
      Michael Hagerup

      @Younas You too man!

    • Younas
      Younas

      @Michael Hagerup it’s really embarrassing what some gamers do. I mean regardless of what you think of the Game I really don’t get it how you can threaten a person’s life because of a video game. Even tho I didn’t enjoy the story I would never do such thing. It’s really sad to see that. The actors and actresses did an amazing job and they only did what they have been told to do. But I am glad that there is someone like you out there who isn’t forcing opinions on other people. There should be more gamers like you. Take care :)

    • Michael Hagerup
      Michael Hagerup

      @Younas Everyone has their own point of view and is also entitled to have it which is also the games point. So yeah you're right - in MY eyes it's a masterpiece and my comment is written from a personal opinion. I am so grateful to have been able to experience this game, I truly think it's the best I have ever played and I just hope that I can play anything at this level of quality some time again in my lifespan. So I just hope ND makes more and that they put as much effort into it and that they are not too discouraged by the bigots sending them death threats and whatnot because they didn't do what people expected them to. Entertainment should satisfy and meet the audiences expectations. Art should do the opposite and challenge it's audience and destroy their expectations. ND has with this game made art not entertainment.

    • Younas
      Younas

      You can’t say that this game is a masterpiece in general. Everyone sees it differently. While you think it’s a Masterpiece i think it’s not. I don’t say it’s complete garbage but in my opinion it’s the weakest game Naughty dog ever made.

  • ItzNiiko
    ItzNiiko

    I think the story is told so that you feel how Ellie feels. Angry, sad... destroyed about Joel. But in the end... you feel empty. All that time, and you were chasing something that Joel would never have wanted you to chase.

  • husni al-riyami
    husni al-riyami

    Thank you for honeste and i love the last of us 2 more one and i plan to replay it on my ps5

  • Pedro L. P. Carvalho
    Pedro L. P. Carvalho

    The problem with (many) gamers is that they want every game to be a fanfic of itself. They wanted a happy forever after Joel-Ellie story, not something that would defy not only their desire, but also their emotional intelligence.

  • Goppers McGoo
    Goppers McGoo

    I WILL NEVER GET OVER abby's guns 😍 her triceps making me weak at the knees!

  • PRIME RYB
    PRIME RYB

    This is the best review

  • Micheal
    Micheal

    This has be one of the best understanding videos I have ever seen,This is how I saw the game and I couldn't put it into words. So all I can say is Thank You

  • Giang K H Pham
    Giang K H Pham

    I played both number 1 and 2 back to back during the pandemic and i still don’t know how to feel about myself. It feels like I just went through a break up with a video game because i invested so much of emotional energy into it. But at the end I’m glad Abby lived, I’m glad Elli lived. What an amazing work of art, and I cannot wait to lose myself like this again if the 3rd one comes out.

  • Ștefan 16
    Ștefan 16

    This game is simply a masterpiece The world is just not ready for it I can bet that in 5 years almost everyone will see what this game truly is: a game changer

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      @MrSwitchblade327 Death Stranding is wayyyyy more pretentious than TLOU2. And I liked both a lot.

    • Ștefan 16
      Ștefan 16

      @MrSwitchblade327 I had started writing a very long and complex comment. Then I realized if after u played the game u don't see why it is a masterpiece, then I can't even hope convince u. If u don't like it it's fine. For me it was an incredible experience. Idk what was not working for u .

    • MrSwitchblade327
      MrSwitchblade327

      Death stranding is the masterpiece the world wasn't ready for. Not this pile of pretentious shite

  • Mig her Kkene
    Mig her Kkene

    You are bad at doing reviews

    • Shree Kaushik
      Shree Kaushik

      ​@Mig her Kkenethis is what i call having an reason for not liking a game .just because pewdiepie dint like doesnt mean you shouldnt , its upto you to like it or not. i dont care if you like it not ur know my master or brother in law . and i wouldnt dare to change ur mind on that game, the point i was trying to say. if hate it because pewdiepie dint like ,you are wasting ur own time on hating this game.

    • Mig her Kkene
      Mig her Kkene

      @Shree Kaushik Lack of personal development, bad writing, characters doesn’t add any if any input to the old characters, they have a hole base files with military personal and still choose to send a present women to war because “woman power”, an unsatisfying ending with no resumption, a poorly matched plot about “revenge is bad”. Simp go to meta critic and read the rest

    • Shree Kaushik
      Shree Kaushik

      @Mig her Kkene that same guy dint finish god of war, so everyone who played god of war must stop that series ,because most subscribed channel dint finish that series, even he agreed that it ok to have different opinion in his review.

    • Mig her Kkene
      Mig her Kkene

      @Eyas Oh, so don’t take the guy who is the most subscribed channel on ALgone seriously? A guy who has been playing video games since 2002? You are deluded and a simp if you can’t see the political bull in the second game. You only say that because you don’t have the gut to go against political correctness;*

    • Eyas
      Eyas

      @Mig her Kkene don’t take Pewdiepie seriously and btw speak for yourself. I played TLOU1 before it even released about one week and I played through it over 30 times and I still prefer part 2.

  • Arun Tomsan
    Arun Tomsan

    So, due to recent interactions regarding this game with a friend, I have the opportunity of looking at this game from the perspective of a hater. As a result, I have found a perspective on why this game didn't work for some people. Full disclosure: I Loved this game and every second of it. It moved me and certainly showed me a lot of things that I hadn't seen in video games before. Also, my last couple of posts were shitting on the haters as well. Then why do this? Well, the game asks us to re-think our empathy and it is only natural that we question our empathy towards this game as well (I hope this isn't too meta). So, here I go: Unlike what most of the lovers of this game believe, the single most hated moment in this game for most haters wasn't the death of Joel. It was certainly the most shocking scene. But what they hated the most was the moment you play as Abby for the 2nd time right after Ellie and Abby clash at the theatre at the end of Ellie's 4th day. They didn't hate playing as Abby before this at the beginning of the game, but they were repulsed by the 2nd time. There is a certain irony here. See, the haters believe that this is flawed writing and that game is trying hard clumsily to make them like Abby. But the ironic part is that the feeling of repulsion and dissonance in the player's mind is EXACTLY what the writers were going for. ND, time and again, said that the game will make you re-think your empathy and that is what they were doing here. Once you start playing as Abby, whom you were trying to kill all this while, you feel uncomfortable as you have an empathetic connection to Ellie & Joel. Then, the game takes you on an almost similar journey as Joel and Ellie in the 1st game, only this time with Abby and Lev. What ND wants you to do here is to question why you feel this hatred toward Abby. Is it because she killed Joel? But was Joel such a great guy after all? Are Joel and Abby any different? Don't Joel and Abby do almost similar things in their respective journeys? Then, do you feel like you owe your loyalty to one character and not to the other? At the end of this line of thought is the point Neil & ND is trying to make: the decisions you make based on your empathy alone cannot be trusted. If this was so, then has ND has achieved all it wanted to achieve with this game? Is the game a win? Not quite. You see, I would have totally bought this as ND's victory... If I hadn't seen this same exact thing done better. That too, in another video game! Hope you all are familiar with the video game franchise called Assassins' Creed. The best AC games in terms of the story were AC2, AC3, and AC4. My interest here is in the game AC3. See, the AC series, unlike the LOU series, establishes a clear picture of who are the good guys and bad guys and whom you are to love/root for from the very first game. That is until AC3 shakes things up a bit. Similar to LOU2, AC3 asks you to question those whom you held as heroes in the previous games. For the sake of brevity of this write-up, I will not go through the story of AC3 here. I hope you look it up or play the game if you haven't played it already. But long story short: AC series is the story of Assassins and Templars, two different groups fighting an almost ideological war against each other since early human history and you play as Assassins'. In AC3 though, you, for the 1st time in the series, play as a templar for a bit, and then your character, an Assassin, is later confronted by a templar on the Assassin ideology and its flaws in a very epic truth-bomb moment. So what does AC3 do that LOU2 doesn't? Well, AC3 doesn't abandon the player. The problem with LOU2 is that the player is left alone to deal with these complicated feelings of distrust and dissonance of suddenly playing as Abby on his/her own. This lead to the players reaching some very wrong and unintended conclusions such that the game is manipulating them or that you will get to kill Abby at the end. AC3, though, addresses this sudden conflict in our minds through conversations with other characters, narrative elements, and voice-overs by the protagonist as to how they feel about what happened and why they still do what they do (even though they have been kind of exposed as flawed). Together, these narrative elements lead the player to the place of understanding, which was intended by the writers. That is that Assassins' and their ideology may be flawed, but they are still in the right. While I am not saying that LOU2 should have reinforced the idea that the players were right to root for Joel/Ellie, it definitely should have acknowledged the player's mental conflict and lead them to that place of understanding that the writers wanted them to go. After all, isn't that the point of story-telling? Not just to say things, but to sell an understanding/philosophy/idea? To conclude: Even after taking these things into consideration, I still believe LOU2 is one of the greatest video games and the haters ought to give it a chance as it takes you on a journey that makes you think about things that are very timely in our world today. But it certainly does have room for improvement.

    • San Blindsnake
      San Blindsnake

      @Arun Tomsan "That is until AC3 shakes things up a bit." Actually, AC3 does not changes nothing about my perspective about the two factions... On the other side TLOU2 really challenge my empathy levels... And in the end... I won...

    • pulpficti
      pulpficti

      @Arun Tomsan I and many would disagree. The game demands a lot from the player. First it manipulates you to hating Abby very easily. We played as Joel, I for example played him for more than 100 hours in part 1. And at the midpoint the game tries something really unique that not any game I played did before. You play a character you hate, not just dislike, not just the other side of a coin. You play a person that killed one of the most beloved characters in gaming history. And after playing Abby you at least understand her. But, as in every other medium, it's you that has to make the decision if you like Abby or not. It worked for most people. But here is the imo genius of the game. Even if you still hate her it's a good representation of Ellie and yourself. I disagree with GFreviews that you failed the game if you still dislike Abby but maybe after all the good she did you can give her the benefit of the doubt. AC3 doesn't come close. Which is why nobody talks about AC3 anymore but gamers will talk about TLOU2 for a very long time.

    • Arun Tomsan
      Arun Tomsan

      @pulpficti The argument is not about which game is better. It is about how a narrative can effectively force a player to introspect. This is something that AC3 does better than LOU2. I agree that LOU games has far superior story and character development compared to AC games, which is exactly why it is frustrating to see it being bested in such a significant narrative technique.

    • pulpficti
      pulpficti

      With all respect to AC3 but that argument is flawed. It's like saying X is better than Fight Club because X also had a protagonist with multiple personality disorder. Plus the AC3 characters are nowhere near as fleshed out as Abby, Joel and Ellie

  • 27_Ajay Gupta
    27_Ajay Gupta

    They should've made abbey more believable that's the reason I don't like the game after getting saved by a guy you try to kill him ?? No conflict in her mind about her actions

    • Rex Omnipotentus
      Rex Omnipotentus

      If someone murders your whole family and all your friends and later he saves you (not knowing that he killed your family and friends), would that cause a conflict in your mind about your hate toward him?

    • pulpficti
      pulpficti

      She already destroyed most of her life with her need for revenge. Joel could have been Jesus and still get his head bashed in. 4 years of hatred don't just vanish in an hour

  • James Paterson
    James Paterson

    "You may have beat the game that you were playing with your controller, but you may have lost the game that naughty dog was playing with your soul". Holy crap, this writing is on a whole nother level

  • Senshai
    Senshai

    Naughty dog employees complained of about the time crunches and bad work ethics...and this guy still won the best director awards ....that's my let down for this game . I mean I don't really want to bother myself about the franchise anymore ..

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      I agree that that was a joke. The game itself is absolutely incredible, but there's no excuse for that kind of crunch and treatment of workers. NG employees need to unionize now.

    • pulpficti
      pulpficti

      Sadly crunch is in ever major company. Plus the game director award is a award for game direction. Maybe he's a terrible person but that's not what the award is for

  • colon_three
    colon_three

    Gonna start calling bullshit when Shelby claims her "video game literacy" is low...

  • Arturo Tejeda Wannam
    Arturo Tejeda Wannam

    This video never gets old, what a beautiful analysis you put in this video, exactly all that I felt in this amazing video game.

  • Lachlan M
    Lachlan M

    The Last of Us (1 & 2) reminded me, for the first time in ages, of what it means to be human. Of why we still strive, each and every day, to be better. Naughty dog gave us the games we needed, not the games we deserve. And for that, I will be eternally grateful.

  • B-Man Pictures
    B-Man Pictures

    "You have the lost the game that Naughty Dog was playing with your soul" this comes across as very condescending as if you're saying "you just didn't get it". Sometimes it's the writers fault for not doing their job effectively in getting you to care about a certain character.

    • San Blindsnake
      San Blindsnake

      "Sometimes it's the writers fault for not doing their job effectively in getting you to care about a certain character." Sometimes is your level of understanding... Sometimes is your empathy level... Sometimes is your gaming style... There is a ton of reasons...

    • L3th4LQu4rK
      L3th4LQu4rK

      @B-Man Pictures Maybe not be so touchy?

  • Lemon Lime.
    Lemon Lime.

    Simple minded people won't understand how great this game really is

    • James Lanier
      James Lanier

      @MrSwitchblade327 Decisions based on feelings instead of intelligence. Yeah, how very unrealistic. People never do that, so why would characters in a story?

    • Lemon Lime.
      Lemon Lime.

      @MrSwitchblade327 if you say so

    • MrSwitchblade327
      MrSwitchblade327

      Actually wrong. Its simple minded fools who are gullible enough to be swayed by ridiculous elementary level tropes. Decisions based on feelings instead of intelligence or even common sense and you call anyone who doesn't agree with you simple minded. Unbelievable.

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